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Post by noodles on Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:46 am

Taken from various sources

Electricity Tax Refund
7th April 2014
A refund is due from electricity suppliers for a thumping tax (CSPE) which the ECJ has decided is illegal.
Download sample letter to claim your money back
The letter must be sent LRAR to your electricity provider asap, amount to put in the letter is the CSPE paid in the 2 years preceding the date of your letter. You will find the amounts on the rear of your bill.
Here is a link to a letter which you can copy and complete with your own information. http://www.france-info.co.uk/PDFS/Electricity%20tax%20refund%20April%202014.pdf


Judgment: https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcuria.europa.eu%2Fjuris%2Fdocument%2Fdocument.jsf%3Ftext%26docid%3D145912%26pageIndex%3D0%26doclang%3DFR%26mode%3Dlst%26dir%26occ%3Dfirst%26part%3D1%26cid%3D185787&h=EAQE1ucpD

Breakdown : http://www.lamy-lexel.com/Vers-une-recuperation-de-la-CSPE-versee-par-les-consommateurs-d-electricite-copie-1.398.0.html

Remember to add the Vat on to the amount.


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Post by peirol on Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:22 pm

Ah, but then according to this item from The Connexion, we are all about to be hit with an additional electricity bill:


"A NASTY surprise may soon drop into the letter box of households in France - an extra electricity bill from EDF, ahead of the 5% price increase set to come into force in August.

The public rapporteur of the country’s highest administrative court, the Conseil D’Etat, yesterday recommended that the government’s 2% limit on electricity price rises in 2012 should be overturned.

The 2% price rise was well below the 5.7% estimation made by the Regulatory Commission (CRE) at the time.

The recommendation said that the limit by former Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault was not enough to cover EDF’s costs, and amounted to a distortion of the market.

The news will come as an early blow for new Prime Minister Manuel Vall’s administration. If the recommendation is upheld, retroactive bills of up to €40 may be sent to every household in France.

A final decision is expected in two weeks, and although the public rapporteur’s recommendation is not binding, his recommendations are generally followed.

The increase will apply to regulated electricity tariffs for homes and small businesses, which means it will affect about 27 million (90%) of households."

Sorry to be a party-pooper!

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Post by noodles on Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:36 pm

All the more reason to claw back any overpayment then
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Post by tocyvi on Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:06 pm

So the onus is on us to claim it, rather than the company, who illegally charged us the tax in the first place, to pay it automatically. Brilliant, but thanks for the info Noodles
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Post by tocyvi on Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:48 pm

As an afterthought, what I don't understand is that if it was declared illegal, why are they still charging it?
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Post by noodles on Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:10 pm

I have ploughed through the links , one has an English translate button.  My French is not good enough to break it down.  I take it to be like the PPI claims in the respect that if it was illegal why is it not automatic?

I am guaranteeing nothing
We have claimed and I have an acquaintance who claims to have already received a refund.

If you all think it is nonesense no worries.
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Post by Myriam on Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:52 pm

Thanks, Noodles.

Only got halfway through the judgement text in French to find out there was an English and Dutch version. Too tired now to concentrate on any text, will have another go tomorrow.

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Post by Inkflo on Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:49 pm

Done my letter, thanks for the info.
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Post by ARKWRIGHT on Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:55 pm

I've done my letter but I had to use Google to find out what LRAR means. I can possibly use recorded delivery from the UK but most tracked items are only tracked within the UK. I'll go to the post office on Tuesday & find out.

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Post by tocyvi on Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:01 am

I'm interested to watch how this works out. I sent my letter over a week ago and it's been delivered. I'll bet that EDF will use all sorts of tactics to avoid/delay paying but maybe I'm just too cynical.

Please let us know if, when and how you all receive your refund.
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Post by lady of leisure on Fri Apr 25, 2014 9:49 am

I have just been on frenchentree and it seems quite a few people have been in contact with their supplier, sent the aforementioned letter and have received phone calls from edf saying the tax is not illegal and no refunds will be given, anyone here received anything?
I have just received the connection newspaper on line and they are urging people to claim.

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Post by Inkflo on Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:43 pm

I've trawled through the French forums on this subject, and although the ruling was made in December, EDF seem to be saying that it's down to the government to make any refunds. I think it may be some time, if ever that they agree on how to do this. It doesn't appear that anyone has received their reimbursement yet.
Maybe someone knows different?
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Post by lady of leisure on Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:30 pm

From what I have read , it seems to be I know someone who knows someone who's friends mother's uncle has received a refund. There doesn't seem to be any first hand knowledge.

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Re: Electricity bill refund for all

Post by Inkflo on Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:28 am

Taken from the April edition of the Connexion
Claim back power bill tax
Connexion edition: April 2014

AS WE report in May’s Connexion, lawyers are advising that electricity users have the right to make a request for repayment of a tax that makes up part of electricity bills, back-dated for two years.

The Contribution au service public de l’électricité (CSPE) can make up to 10% of a typical bill and is meant to help companies cover costs such as investing in greener ways of generating electricity.

However the tax has been ruled to be a form of illegal state aid by the European Court of Justice, meaning that, in theory, users – whether individuals or firms – can apply to have tax paid over two years (24 months) refunded. The typical family using electric heating could, therefore, be due a refund of several hundred euros.

The outcome in France of such a request is not yet certain, and is expected to depend partly on a decision of the French Conseil d’Etat, which has yet to rule. However lawyers say that the letter of EU law means refunds are due and they urge applications are made as soon as possible before the Conseil potentially tries to impose more restrictive conditions on claims.

Applications should be made by lettre recommandée avec accusé de réception (LRAR) – recorded delivery with reception slip – including copies of your previous bills as proof of tax paid, for the last 24 months. It is advisable to keep a copy of your letter and the documents sent.

If you have not kept the paper bills you may be able to recuperate them online via your personal space on your supplier’s website. The bills should itemise the amounts of CSPE paid.

We suggest the following wording is used:

Monsieur

Suite à l’arrêt de la Cour de Justice de l’Union Européenne daté du 19 décembre, 2013 (affaire C-262/12) concernant la Contribution au service public de l’électricité, je réclame par la présente un remboursement des sommes relatives à la CSPE figurant sur mes factures d’électricité et payées par moi-même au cours des 24 derniers mois précédant la réception de cette lettre (€ INSERT THE AMOUNT).

Je joins à cette lettre des exemplaires de mes factures.

Dans l’attente de votre réponse, veuillez agréer, Monsieur, mes sincères salutations,

XXX

Letters should be sent to the following address:

Monsieur le Président
Commission de Régulation de l’Energie
15 rue Pasquier
75379 PARIS Cedex 08
- See more at: http://www.connexionfrance.com/CSPE-tax-claim-back-electricity-11931-news-article.html#sthash.w0IyBV7k.dpuf
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Post by tocyvi on Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:39 am

....and he will tell you exactly what you can do with it!

It may sound cynical, but obviously EDF is trying every means possible to avoid refunding money that was charged illegally in the first place. EDF should be forced to give back all of these charges at its own cost and not simply in response to people having to make a claim on it.
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Post by ARKWRIGHT on Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:55 am

The article from Connexion posted by Inkflo states that letters claiming a refund should be sent to the President of the Energy Regulation Commission and not EDF. It also states that copies of relevant bills should be enclosed.

How many of us have sent our letter to EDF with no copies of bills enclosed? I have.

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Post by Myriam on Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:14 pm

Thanks very much for the information and the example letter, Inkflow! Saves all of us who have not already claimed a lot of energy  Very Happy . We will find out whether we do indeed get the money back, but it is worth a try.

And of course it is true that if so ruled by the European Commission, the EDF or other supplier should be made to make the refund, but that would be a perfect world and suppliers will not act until they are made to do so.
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Sent my letter had confirmation that it has been delivered

Post by arthur johnstone on Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:16 pm

Now waiting to see if EDF pays up....LOL

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Post by ARKWRIGHT on Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:12 am

I have received an email from EDF this morning. They say that they need more information, which they intend to get from somewhere. They will reply to my request within 30 days.

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Thanks for the up-date

Post by arthur johnstone on Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:20 am

If you have the time let us know what additional information EDF may "want"

I have been here before with banking charges in the UK and RBS played a very long game..LOL ie they tried to avoid paying back the charges.

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Post by ARKWRIGHT on Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:23 am

I will try & translate the email later today. If I knew how to post the email here I would do. Smile

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Post by Inkflo on Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:50 am

Highlight it, copy it then paste it to the forum.
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Post by ARKWRIGHT on Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:08 pm

There is a translation facilty on the email so here is the email in English.

EDF

ARKWRIGHT

You tell us the challenges you face. I regret it.

To bring you the best response, I asked the department concerned to provide me with all the answers. I will certainly give you our answer within 30 days.

I want to thank you for giving us your claim. It is indeed very important for us to know your point of view, to make every effort to best meet your needs & keep your trust.

Regards

Your advisor EDF

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Post by tocyvi on Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:27 pm

Mmm. It doesn't inspire the greatest confidence that a cheque will be whizzing its way into your post box in the next day or two, does it?.

This is my translation:

"Dear annoying client
I am totally disinterested in your insignificant and pettifogging complaints. Do you really think I have nothing better to do than spend time on your whingeing little quibbles. I have passed your letter to a junior clerk and it will sit in his pending tray for a month or two, at which point, we may deign to let you know that it has been fully investigated but that you are entitled to absolutely nothing.
Restant à votre entière disposition pour tout renseignement complémentaire, nous vous prions de croire, cher Mr Arkwright, à l'expression de nos salutations respectueuses (trans: don't bother to waste our valuable time again)
Signed
Important fonctionnaire"
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Post by Tony H on Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:20 pm

lol!  Just about right

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